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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/privatisation-loyalty-in-the-war-on-terror/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good article. I wasn&#039;t even aware of PMC&#039;s. Good analysis with regard to Sri Lanka as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good article. I wasn&#8217;t even aware of PMC&#8217;s. Good analysis with regard to Sri Lanka as well.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your fat</description>
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		<title>By: groundviews &#187; PRIVATISATION &#38; LOYALTY IN THE WAR ON TERROR</title>
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		<dc:creator>groundviews &#187; PRIVATISATION &#38; LOYALTY IN THE WAR ON TERROR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/privatisation-loyalty-in-the-war-on-terror/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Mercenary Generals are good when they come with mercenary troops. What kind of wisdom puts mercenaries at the head of regular troops&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m afraid there isn&#039;t really any conclusive evidence one way or another on this, Joe. Historically there have been foreign mercenary troops under citizen officers (the Escadrille Lafeyette, the Foreign Legion, and the Gurkhas), foreign mercenary troops under local mercenary officers (the British East India Company), and citizen soldiers under foreign mercenary officers (the Dutch mercenary commander of George Monck&#039;s artillery at the Battle of Stirling in 1651). Sometimes it has worked, sometimes it hasn&#039;t, and is usually a testament to the officer himself rather than the combination of personnel.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;Mercenary Generals are good when they come with mercenary troops. What kind of wisdom puts mercenaries at the head of regular troops&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><em>I&#8217;m afraid there isn&#8217;t really any conclusive evidence one way or another on this, Joe. Historically there have been foreign mercenary troops under citizen officers (the Escadrille Lafeyette, the Foreign Legion, and the Gurkhas), foreign mercenary troops under local mercenary officers (the British East India Company), and citizen soldiers under foreign mercenary officers (the Dutch mercenary commander of George Monck&#8217;s artillery at the Battle of Stirling in 1651). Sometimes it has worked, sometimes it hasn&#8217;t, and is usually a testament to the officer himself rather than the combination of personnel.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Appuhamy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Appuhamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercenary Generals are good when they come with mercenary troops. What kind of wisdom puts mercenaries at the head of regular troops? Utter folly. Troops that are not &#039;your own&#039; are always expendable. Besides, Sri Lanka has ALWAYS suffered when engaging foreign troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercenary Generals are good when they come with mercenary troops. What kind of wisdom puts mercenaries at the head of regular troops? Utter folly. Troops that are not &#8216;your own&#8217; are always expendable. Besides, Sri Lanka has ALWAYS suffered when engaging foreign troops.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/privatisation-loyalty-in-the-war-on-terror/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Well, PMCs won&#039;t be any less or more corrupt than any other commercial corporation. In Iraq, there&#039;s a lack of transparency in the use of PMCs. The US wants to divert attention from their use of PMCs for ethical reasons, as well as to hide the actual number of casualties which far outstrip the &#039;official&#039; score which only lists citizen soldiers. So this lack of truthfulness breeds corruption.

in SL there won&#039;t be any guarantees that politicians won&#039;t be kickedback. But since they receive kickbacks right now on defence deals, it won&#039;t be any worse. However, as I pointed out, whenever there are corrupt deals, it eventually gets out, and losing a war over crummy weaponry is a sure fire way to lose an election.

As for a funding shortfall for the SL Army, I don&#039;t see that happening. The Army will have certain roles -- like guarding defense establishments and infrastructure -- and funding will be provided for that.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Well, PMCs won&#8217;t be any less or more corrupt than any other commercial corporation. In Iraq, there&#8217;s a lack of transparency in the use of PMCs. The US wants to divert attention from their use of PMCs for ethical reasons, as well as to hide the actual number of casualties which far outstrip the &#8216;official&#8217; score which only lists citizen soldiers. So this lack of truthfulness breeds corruption.</p>
<p>in SL there won&#8217;t be any guarantees that politicians won&#8217;t be kickedback. But since they receive kickbacks right now on defence deals, it won&#8217;t be any worse. However, as I pointed out, whenever there are corrupt deals, it eventually gets out, and losing a war over crummy weaponry is a sure fire way to lose an election.</p>
<p>As for a funding shortfall for the SL Army, I don&#8217;t see that happening. The Army will have certain roles &#8212; like guarding defense establishments and infrastructure &#8212; and funding will be provided for that.</em></p>
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		<title>By: jiffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saw a doco recently which said the US soldier in iraq didnt have the same measure of protection as the PMC guys (body armor or whatever they wear). it also criticised PMCs for rorting taxpayer money through various bureaucratic loopholes which it implied was due to certain high ranking politicans being in the pocket of these organisations. who&#039;s to say a similar scenario wont unfold in sri lanka? whats there to stop the PMCs giving our politicans kickbacks? even with a reduced army the outcome will most likely be funding shortfalls for the regular soldier. from a &#039;nationalist&#039; standpoint that would be considered unpatriotic. 

great article. total information overload!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saw a doco recently which said the US soldier in iraq didnt have the same measure of protection as the PMC guys (body armor or whatever they wear). it also criticised PMCs for rorting taxpayer money through various bureaucratic loopholes which it implied was due to certain high ranking politicans being in the pocket of these organisations. who&#8217;s to say a similar scenario wont unfold in sri lanka? whats there to stop the PMCs giving our politicans kickbacks? even with a reduced army the outcome will most likely be funding shortfalls for the regular soldier. from a &#8216;nationalist&#8217; standpoint that would be considered unpatriotic. </p>
<p>great article. total information overload!</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Of course the way things work here, our politicians would take a bribe and award the tender to some cheap outfit instead of an experienced PMC.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m sure they&#039;d try, just as they take bribes and commissions on arms transactions. However, as we&#039;ve seen lately, even relatively minor arms deals like the MiG fiasco are open to scrutiny and allegations. This has always been the case in SL, however as of late, we&#039;ve seen that the quality of weaponry has improved. This is due to the fact that a military loss on the battlefield will result in elections lost. So when it comes to a massive deal like a privatisation of military ops in the NE, corruption could result in the war being lost, and at the very least an electoral defeat. I don&#039;t think politicians would risk that. No doubt there&#039;ll be corruption, but not necessarily on an inferior product.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Also, what you stated about the difference between the US and the British PMCs also seems to be true as I remember reading about the association of British PMCs holding seminars and PR campaigns to differentiate them vis-a-vis their US counterparts. From your experience, could it also be due to the composition of these different outfits? The Brits being composed of ex-SAS, SBS types whereas the Americans are less discerning? I would love to know.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Certainly, there are many ex-SF personnel in Brit PMCs (probably in larger proportion to their counterparts in US PMCs), but they&#039;re in no way a majority. The bulk of Brit PMC combat personnel are from regiments like the Paras, Guards, and Green Jackets. The rest are from supporting arms like the Royal Engineers and REME. The main difference between  Brit and Yank PMCs (as far as I can see) is that the Brits have more ex-military personnel on their payroll, primarily because there&#039;s not much firearms experience amongst Brit civilians. In the US, it&#039;s a different matter, and many civilians join PMCs as combat troops.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Also, you’re wrong about KBR. It was primarily a power construction company and later branched out into military support services such as building and operating military bases and repair centres etc. It never provided mercenaries per se.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Brown &amp; Root (founded in 1919) always was what can be termed a private military contractor; ie the majority of their contracts were military engineering projects. Providing combat troops (or mercenaries) isn&#039;t necessarily a PMC role (though it can be). Remember in a state armed forces, the bulk of personnel are not combat troops. The same goes for most PMCs. When Haliburton acquired Brown &amp; Root in 1962, the company (along with three others) built 85% of the US Army infrastructure in the Vietnam War, earning Brown &amp; Root the tag &quot;Burn &amp; Loot&quot; by anti-war protestors. At this point all armed security for Brown &amp; Root projects in Vietnam was provided by the company itself. The company also provided contract employees to the CIA for operations in Laos and Cambodia. All of this (in my view) quite credibly establishes Brown &amp; Root as a PMC. When Haliburton aquired Dresser Industries in 1998, the latter&#039;s engineering subsidiary, MW Kellogg was merged with Brown &amp; Root, creating KBR. I checked further and found that Haliburton finally sold off KBR in April last year.&lt;a href=&quot;http://&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; lists KBR as a PMC.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Of course the way things work here, our politicians would take a bribe and award the tender to some cheap outfit instead of an experienced PMC.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><em>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d try, just as they take bribes and commissions on arms transactions. However, as we&#8217;ve seen lately, even relatively minor arms deals like the MiG fiasco are open to scrutiny and allegations. This has always been the case in SL, however as of late, we&#8217;ve seen that the quality of weaponry has improved. This is due to the fact that a military loss on the battlefield will result in elections lost. So when it comes to a massive deal like a privatisation of military ops in the NE, corruption could result in the war being lost, and at the very least an electoral defeat. I don&#8217;t think politicians would risk that. No doubt there&#8217;ll be corruption, but not necessarily on an inferior product.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Also, what you stated about the difference between the US and the British PMCs also seems to be true as I remember reading about the association of British PMCs holding seminars and PR campaigns to differentiate them vis-a-vis their US counterparts. From your experience, could it also be due to the composition of these different outfits? The Brits being composed of ex-SAS, SBS types whereas the Americans are less discerning? I would love to know.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><em>Certainly, there are many ex-SF personnel in Brit PMCs (probably in larger proportion to their counterparts in US PMCs), but they&#8217;re in no way a majority. The bulk of Brit PMC combat personnel are from regiments like the Paras, Guards, and Green Jackets. The rest are from supporting arms like the Royal Engineers and REME. The main difference between  Brit and Yank PMCs (as far as I can see) is that the Brits have more ex-military personnel on their payroll, primarily because there&#8217;s not much firearms experience amongst Brit civilians. In the US, it&#8217;s a different matter, and many civilians join PMCs as combat troops.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Also, you’re wrong about KBR. It was primarily a power construction company and later branched out into military support services such as building and operating military bases and repair centres etc. It never provided mercenaries per se.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><em>Brown &amp; Root (founded in 1919) always was what can be termed a private military contractor; ie the majority of their contracts were military engineering projects. Providing combat troops (or mercenaries) isn&#8217;t necessarily a PMC role (though it can be). Remember in a state armed forces, the bulk of personnel are not combat troops. The same goes for most PMCs. When Haliburton acquired Brown &amp; Root in 1962, the company (along with three others) built 85% of the US Army infrastructure in the Vietnam War, earning Brown &amp; Root the tag &#8220;Burn &amp; Loot&#8221; by anti-war protestors. At this point all armed security for Brown &amp; Root projects in Vietnam was provided by the company itself. The company also provided contract employees to the CIA for operations in Laos and Cambodia. All of this (in my view) quite credibly establishes Brown &amp; Root as a PMC. When Haliburton aquired Dresser Industries in 1998, the latter&#8217;s engineering subsidiary, MW Kellogg was merged with Brown &amp; Root, creating KBR. I checked further and found that Haliburton finally sold off KBR in April last year.<a href="http://" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> lists KBR as a PMC.</em></p>
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		<title>By: The benevolent Dictator</title>
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		<dc:creator>The benevolent Dictator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article David. Definitely food for thought. Of course the way things work here, our politicians would take a bribe and award the tender to some cheap outfit instead of an experienced PMC.

Also, what you stated about the difference between the US and the British PMCs also seems to be true as I remember reading about the association of British PMCs holding seminars and PR campaigns to differentiate them vis-a-vis their US counterparts. From your experience, could it also be due to the composition of these different outfits? The Brits being composed of ex-SAS, SBS types whereas the Americans are less discerning? I would love to know.

Also, you&#039;re wrong about KBR. It was primarily a power construction company and later branched out into military support services such as building and operating military bases and repair centres etc. It never provided mercenaries per se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article David. Definitely food for thought. Of course the way things work here, our politicians would take a bribe and award the tender to some cheap outfit instead of an experienced PMC.</p>
<p>Also, what you stated about the difference between the US and the British PMCs also seems to be true as I remember reading about the association of British PMCs holding seminars and PR campaigns to differentiate them vis-a-vis their US counterparts. From your experience, could it also be due to the composition of these different outfits? The Brits being composed of ex-SAS, SBS types whereas the Americans are less discerning? I would love to know.</p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;re wrong about KBR. It was primarily a power construction company and later branched out into military support services such as building and operating military bases and repair centres etc. It never provided mercenaries per se.</p>
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